But Why Did His Daughter Die?
July 8th 2007 11:29
My intention wouldn't normally be to make this sound like religous commentary but the whole thing revolves around religion. It's clear thats what Francis Ford Copolla wanted the viewers to relate to, redemption through the suffering of another person in the Christian sense. From when Michael Corleone begged god to give him a chance to redeem himself to the final Oprah where Jesus made an appearance (most likely to establish the pre-emptive for the viewer to get what Francis was trying to say).
So just what did Michael Corleone do that he so regretted? He followed his own destiny, something he was trying to change from the moment he started thinking about his future. He had it all 'planned out differently' than what it came out as, he never inteded his destiny to be in illegitamite practices and he spent his whole life trying to get out of it. Yet he did wrong in that he didn't just dump it all, he wanted the money and he wanted out.
I didn't like his daughter, Mary Corleone was a stuck up bitch, the regular kind. She wanted to run away with a man that her father dissaproved of, and with good reason, all his life he wanted to take his family out of danger and this man just so happened to be his successor. Mary didn't like this, and right up until the end she was mad about it all, 'why are you doing this to me?' she asked before she was killed.
Of course she wasn't the target, it was her father, but the bullet found its place in her chest.
In the Christian gods world had Michael not asked for a chance to redeem himself, something he found impossible to do, the bullet would have killed him. Since he did want his chance at redeeming himself he had to lose that which he loved most. He didn't know how it could happen but God did, and since he wanted it, he got what he wanted. Though, perhaps it wasn't what he wanted, he did say early in the movie that he'd 'burn in hell to protect you (Mary)', but he didn't, he redeemed himself and skipped hell, but his daughter died.
Why did his daughter die? I mean, couldn't he just burn in hell to redeem his sins? Lets assume the film wants us to take this logical leap and ignore it.
I'm not going to lie, I didn't like his daughter at all, but I kind of felt sorry for her dad when she died. If it were typical hollywood she'd have lived through it, but it wasn't so I'm grateful she stayed dead.
I don't agree with Christianity here, why should someone else suffer for the redemption of another person? Even if it was all played perfectly and Mary deserved the bullet I wouldn't agree. I don't think she deserved the bullet, I don't know if Christians believe Gods wrath will be sent down against someone who disagrees with her dad, especially when he's a mob boss, though I don't know for sure.
So just what did Michael Corleone do that he so regretted? He followed his own destiny, something he was trying to change from the moment he started thinking about his future. He had it all 'planned out differently' than what it came out as, he never inteded his destiny to be in illegitamite practices and he spent his whole life trying to get out of it. Yet he did wrong in that he didn't just dump it all, he wanted the money and he wanted out.
I didn't like his daughter, Mary Corleone was a stuck up bitch, the regular kind. She wanted to run away with a man that her father dissaproved of, and with good reason, all his life he wanted to take his family out of danger and this man just so happened to be his successor. Mary didn't like this, and right up until the end she was mad about it all, 'why are you doing this to me?' she asked before she was killed.
Of course she wasn't the target, it was her father, but the bullet found its place in her chest.
In the Christian gods world had Michael not asked for a chance to redeem himself, something he found impossible to do, the bullet would have killed him. Since he did want his chance at redeeming himself he had to lose that which he loved most. He didn't know how it could happen but God did, and since he wanted it, he got what he wanted. Though, perhaps it wasn't what he wanted, he did say early in the movie that he'd 'burn in hell to protect you (Mary)', but he didn't, he redeemed himself and skipped hell, but his daughter died.
Why did his daughter die? I mean, couldn't he just burn in hell to redeem his sins? Lets assume the film wants us to take this logical leap and ignore it.
I'm not going to lie, I didn't like his daughter at all, but I kind of felt sorry for her dad when she died. If it were typical hollywood she'd have lived through it, but it wasn't so I'm grateful she stayed dead.
I don't agree with Christianity here, why should someone else suffer for the redemption of another person? Even if it was all played perfectly and Mary deserved the bullet I wouldn't agree. I don't think she deserved the bullet, I don't know if Christians believe Gods wrath will be sent down against someone who disagrees with her dad, especially when he's a mob boss, though I don't know for sure.
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No one can beat the king of them all, Don Vito.
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fyi i didn't look at the youtube, internet too slow tonight
Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
I think that there is a big difference between a film made to cash in on the legacy of the two preceeding film and deep theology.
The script was so bad that Copolla originally refused to make the film. Later they threatened to use some hack who would ruin the legacy so Copolla reluctanly agreed. You can see straight away this is not even close to the quality of the other two. Instead of a brilliant story about character and families in the mafia we get a Vatican conspiracy flick. The whole plot was so warped that suspesion of disbelief required acrobatics.
The talent of Copolla did salvage something of a human story and the hypocracy of the Honored Society called the Mafia.
Rather than looking at the the daughters death as some kind of devine punishment it should be liken to Greek or Shakespearian tragedy. The worst fears are fought against but cannot be avoided. Like Macbeth Michael Corleone could not avoid this and like Macbeth he realises too late that it was his choices that had caused his own downfall. The workings of men, not gods had made this problem.
As a said before I never liked this film despite being made by Copolla. But it does follow the lines of classic tragic plays.
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I think her death was divine punishment and that Copolla wanted it to be seen as such, too many references to redemption and the oprah with christ just kind of convinces me that was what Copolla was going for.
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I think Michael didn't really want to burn in hell, seems more like he just wanted to redeem himself. If he went to hell he mght have had avery long, long stay.
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I think Michael didn't really want to burn in hell, seems more like he just wanted to redeem himself. If he went to hell he mght have had avery long, long stay.
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anon 1: I think no one liked the film for every other element of the plot. perhaps some didn't like it also for the sake of Mary getting killed, personally that made the whole movie for me.
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